Professionalism: part-time belly dancers vs. coworkers

topic posted Fri, May 1, 2009 - 11:17 AM by  Yame
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This title doesn't sound at all like what I meant it to be, but I am not sure how to condense this topic into just a few words, so please bear with me and read on.

This is a topic for any dancer (professional or not) who performs publicly and for whom dancing is a big part of life, but who also holds a "day job."

What is, according to your opinion and experience, the proper separation between your dance hobbie/job and your office-or-whatever-else job? Do you or have you ever mentioned your belly dance hobbie/job to a co-worker or even a boss? In what context is it acceptable to do so? What's not acceptable, and where would a line be crossed?
If a co-worker shows interest in attending one of your performances as a result, do you give them the appropriate information and welcome them to come?

I would greatly appreciate some opinions and tales of experience! Perhaps I will post my own and give some context to this question later on, if we can get a discussion going on here.
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Yame
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    Since I am self employed or employed by a relative, there is no real consequence for me to talk about belly dance. I decided a long time ago that I was not going to try to hide the fact that I belly dance. I started dancing at 16. I do end up explaining a lot of things about the dance, but that is a good thing. I am in a farm community and looked at as being a little odd because of my line of work and my hobbies, but it seems that most who know me, like me or love me. I would like to say that open and honest are the best policies, but I cannot say that in the situation of work/belly dance because some people are just too ignorant for that, and won't change. I was lucky.... my family, my church, my friends and clients accept dance as part of me.
  • You describe me here, so I'll chime in...

    I refer to bellydance as my second job, since I devote a whole lot of time to with rehearsals, taking classes, teaching classes, and performing (not to mention the neverending search for costum stuff, research on youtube, looking for new music, etc). I work in a fairly creative industry and do not hide my dancing at all. For example, if someone asks what I'm doing on the weekend, I'll mention that I'm performing, and if they ask for more details I have no problem telling them. Usually I get a positive reaction, but the few times it's been weird or whatever, I just ignore it. I'm long past letting other peoples' issues and misconceptions bother me too much, unless they try to call me out or are disrespectful in some way, which has happened. Then I school them proper ;)

    I have found that my attitude about it has an effect on how they react...if I acted all quiet and embarassed about it or avoided the question, they would read that and perhaps think that it was something to be ashamed of. But since Idon't do that, they are more at ease with it and are less likely to be inappropriate.

    I have also had co-workers come out to see me perform and have usually welcomed them with no problems at all. I've found that people tend to be interested in hearing more about it, and have even enticed a few folks to try it out themselves.

    Hope that answers your question :)
    • The only time I can think of when I used to keep dance my own private thing was back when I was a beginning student.

      I work full time in the technology field (I am a web application developer) and have done this kind of work for 14 years. Given that I am already in a male dominated field, and I work in a small office with men only, one might think this could be something I would keep private, but I have no problems talking about dance at my primary job (my primary source of income), since dance is my second job and I had to divulge this as one of the terms of my employment (cannot have a second job that conflicts with primary job type of thing). So they know I teach dance, I perform with my troupe at local events, and will even ask for time off from my regular job to attend dance related events. For example, today, I leave job 1 at 3pm instead of 5, so I can go home and get ready for a dance recital tonight : )
      • I work in a large office with many other types of artists. We have sculptors,painters, and digital artists, some of which have bands, art shows and the like. We invite each other to gigs all the time. When I started here I told my boss, because she asked what my interests were outside of work. She loved it and has been to a few of my shows. When other's find out, either through me or people who've been to my shows, they are very supportive and curious. When they see my enthusiasm, they become more enthusiastic. I know I'm lucky to be surrounded by so many creative types. My friends and family all know of my love and commitment to my dance, it's been a HUGE part of my life for over 17 years now and everyone around me knows it.
  • Good question...

    I am a nurse parttime and actually left the technology field (previous career) to have a job that I could devote more time to my dancing career. It is hard to work parttime in consulting.....and so I found a new career which allows for parttime and makes me feel that I am making a difference (another thing I needed).

    I do not hide my dancing career from my coworkers. I am careful about advertising it as I feel that it could become inappropriate or make coworkers feel that they 'need' to come. If they ask...then I tell. I did feel funny when one of the doctors randomly showed up at a restaurant that I was performing. I recognized him but could not figure out where I knew him from....and NO he did not recognize me (go figure since I do not show up to the hospital in my sparkly gear). It was quite hilarious....he ended up dancing with me and then said his name. I was sooo shocked and was not sure if I should say that I was one of his nurses or not....I mean there is the concern of being respected. But then I realized...he was dancing and having fun so would probably think it was fun. I told him and he loved it.....it was soooo funny and we have laughed about it for months now. The cat was out of the bag among the docs then.....but I must say.....I do not say "please come".....just feels funny. I do feel that a couple of staff members - main older doctors - had a funny reaction but that is their issue. One of those now has worked with me and I think whatever strange thought he had is now squashed......so that is all that matters to me. I do want them to see me as a nurse. It is new to me to be in a field that people share so much of their private life...coming from IT previously. Oh...I should ad that I have found that many of the staff at my hospital are artist (music, dance, painting, etc)----it really is nice to hear.

    I did use to work as an IT consultant for a number of large telecom firms for a while. Since I am younger and was working in a man's industry. I did not hide it but I did not talk about my dancing much. This was a field that some would misunderstand what I did. Also...it was a field that all kept their 'private' life private......you had only your first meeting to make an impression that you were qualified and could help the client fix the issue. I needed the clients to see me as only focused on their project....so a lot of that had to do with the role. It was not that I was bellydancer.....muscians, painters, etc.....they all kept that side a little more quiet in the field. Once you did get to know the client...if time allowed then private lives did get discussed and I would tell some and some I decided "not sure they would understand".

    I was asked to start teaching a class at work but I did say I could not bc they were asking for free classes. I had to explain that I teach 3 nights a week and what I charge so they understood....it is not just a hobby. I think many thought it was just a hobby. So I provide them with my info and told some that if they are interested - then I would need a minimum number of people in order to make it worthwhile. Felt bad turning them down for a lunch hour class but honestly....the idea of teaching for free in the middle of a 12 hour shift on my only break...uhhhh no.

    I think your question is very individualized as I have now worked in two completely different areas. In nursing --- everyone tells everything. In consulting --- you often keep your private life quiet. I think each of us have to look at whether there is a need for separation or where that line is. Personally - I do not introduce myself and tell everyone as that begins to make me feel I am advertising at work. Most do know now and if they ask....I give them my website and they can decide if they want to come. I have had some ask for fliers and for me to post my events but I have not done that. I guess in some ways.....I am not sure I want to join both worlds completely. I love my nursing job but there are personality issues there at times and gossip so do I want to drag that into my dancing world --- my main passion? If a coworker does really want to come then I do tell them the info. Who knows what it may do for them in their life? May be they are looking for an outlet? I say go with your intuition --- it is often guiding us all in the right direction (we just have to listen).
    • Oh...I have a question that turns the table around the other way.....just curious

      Most all dancers in the Denver area have some other form of income....teaching another form of dance or exercise or vending. There are plenty of pros in the area that have a completely different job. At times, those that feel they 'completely support themselves' with dancing (even though there are other income through sales or something) will downplay the seriousness for those that have another kind of job.

      Do any of you that have other jobs get that same response? I have had to assert that I am a professional and charge the community rates (actually more than some of those that have this reaction) -- even though I am a nurse parttime. Ehhh it bugs me sometimes.
      • "Do any of you that have other jobs get that same response? I have had to assert that I am a professional and charge the community rates (actually more than some of those that have this reaction) -- even though I am a nurse parttime. Ehhh it bugs me sometimes. "
        Phoenix, I'm sorry you've had to deal with this.
        Unfortunately not only does that exist BUT so so other inexplicable "holier than thou so I feel better about myself misconceptions". I have heard that "full-timers undercut because they NEED the work, whereas dancers with day jobs don't, because they have other income". I have heard claims of "I am full time"- when it's really just a case of "too lazy to hold a job enough to pay real bills and don't dance enough to pay the bills while living off of other people".

        Quality of dance, high ethics and business standards. That's what matters. :)

        Back to topic.
        • Yep...I agree and have heard the "I cannot turn it down". Then my response is "well that is why some of us have to have another job -- bc the rates are too low and undercutting"....that person did not like the response but oh well.

          I handle it but it does bug me and I have begun to point out that I am very active and offer a lot in the community....and do also hold down another job yes but that does not impact my dedication to this business and art.

          I am not sure I would want this to be my only source of income --- having the balance allows me to keep the passion and love in the art form so I actually like having two personalities.

          Thanks for your response....it is good to see that someone else feels that is uncalled for. And actually - inside I know it is really not about me but more about their own personal struggles. Funny how that works huh?
          • <I am not sure I would want this to be my only source of income --- having the balance allows me to keep the passion and love in the art form so I actually like having two personalities. >

            Yes, this is exactly how I feel about it. Plus, I have worked freelance in my day job and it kinda sucks. A ton of stress is involved when you're not sure when your next paycheck will come, or where you'll get next month's rent, or how much you can be sure of making in a month. I am not cut out for such a stressful existence, and it ends up negatively affecting my dancing...so what's the point?

            Besides...I LIKE my day job. I would want to do it even if Miles Copeland threw a bunch of money at me, etc. :)
      • I get this sometimes...and to them I would say that although I respect the fact that they have decided to make dance their career, they have no right to judge others on their life choices. The fact is that personally I would very quickly get burnt out if all I did was dance and teach. And every single one of the full-time dancers I know feel this way once in a while, if not more than that. It would be very difficult for me to dedicate myself fully to dance, since I have so many other interests as well.

        Also, just because someone does dance full-time certainly does not mean they are a superior dancer and/or teacher...they make assume they are, but that's not always or even necessarily often true.

        One fellow "part-time" dancer I know was asked to do a workshop out-of-state, and a "full-time" dancer called her to tell her that she should leave the workshop circuit to the "real dancers"...I thought this was totally out of line. Who's to judge who is a "real dancer" vs...whatever the alternative is? If someone's got it, they got it...and that's the truth.
        • Yikes....that is sooo rude and how catty to call and say that to a sponsor. Trust me when I say...there are some 'full timers' that are not all that so ... it is not whether you are full or parttime. It is the quality and hardwork you put in.....if you are like me, it takes the place of tv watching, partying, and some sleep...hahaha.....that is where my practice time is taken.

          Sorry to hear that happened....that is just not right at all and reflects very poor on the dancer who stated that in my eyes.

          Phoenix

    • I work at a corporate coffee shop with very strict guidlines about our appearances (no visible tattoos, no funky haircolor, strict dresscode, etc). Ironically this particular chain tends to employ post college artist-types like myself. My co-workers and store managers know what I do and have come to see me dance but anyone higher on the corporate ladder gets the secretive treatment. I had a business card hanging on our community board only to have it taken down and thrown away due to its 'inappropriateness'. I definately feel a rift here. My customers know me, some have seem me dance but all are intrigued, but the higher ups at my job treat it as a shameful activity that isn't to be awknowleged.
    • I think you really have to feel it out for yourself as every situation is different- depending on local culture & the individual business's culture

      I wasn't even working, but as the wife of a teacher in a small village, at one point even dancing in my own living room with the shades drawn was a borderline activity. I know that's a bit extreme, but it still exists in some communities. so, we move on to an even smaller town with twice as many churches & hubby warns me not to tell anyone in town that I dance because of the previous bad experience- we get there the first day we are in town, the kindergarten teacher pops out with "sorry your desks are all pushed to the side in your room, we've been practicing belly dance videos in there all summer" & low & behold my teaching career is born.

      Now I am self employed, which means most of my staff know what I do, it is a small family style establishment, BUT because of the kind of store it is (natural parenting/baby shop) we get a lot of very conservative families coming in. I am not about to advertise what I do to while I am in the shop. I may hang an event flier in the entryway where other events are posted, but I'm certainly not handing out business cards in my own shop. Now people who like belly dance do recognize me & will chat with me in the shop, but I try to keep it low key- I know I'm not loosing THEM as customers. In public I am more than happy to discuss dance related issues, but not when I am working.

      "....it is not just a hobby. I think many thought it was just a hobby." This drives me nuts too. I think you handled it well- I've taken to keeping my rate cards on hand along with my business cards & say something along the lines of "I'd love to teach a class if we can work it into my schedule. this is what I'm offering right now & my group & private lesson rates are on the back." That way I'm not getting into long winded explanations & they don't have to be embarrassed- even if they aren't interested they can take the card & say thanks, without committing to anything, & I feel it is getting the message out that dancers are *worth* something.
  • Thanks for sharing!

    In my previous job, a beauty salon where I worked with my mom and 3 other women and we were all fairly close and knew everything about each other (we all know how salons are!), I told everybody when I started taking lessons and some of them had even shown interest in starting with me but couldn't fit it into their schedules, although my boss did think it was a funny hobby.

    The reason I asked this now is because I recently (almost 2 months ago) got a new job and since initially I was not that familiar with the environment and the people (it's a dental office, I've never worked with dental before), I had decided to keep it low-key and not mention my dancing unless it came up. Of course, it did eventually come up in a conversation with a co-worker and she has been showing a lot of interest, the other day she even mentioned she would like to come to my next performance that is not on a Sunday. She is the only one who knows so far though, as I work more closely with her than anyone else.

    Now, I am not a professional, not even semi-professional, I have been learning for about 2 years but this year I am trying to take every possible performance opportunity at student/community venues so that I can improve and eventually start looking into professional venues once I'm ready. But still I am confident enough in my dancing that I don't mind it that people who know me watch it... my whole family has seen it by now, my friends... I've even danced for college festivals and a class, meaning my classmates and even teachers saw me so I suppose it's not much different if a co-worker does.
    • I work in a "corporate" environment with well over 1000 employees and most did not know I danced until about 2 years ago. Now most of them know - but most still don't believe it =-)Completely different personalities..[ I have been at my job 15 years] A few have seen me dance [some still form the wrong opinion] but your life is yours.. they will deal or they won't. Just keep them separate.. I don't wear bedlah and glitter to the day job and I don't wear my hair up and a suit to belly dance. [oh and only one time has a creep from the office shown up at a show..so that it good]

      some will frown because they do not know better - but I think most are very open about it. I get less grief about belly dancing than I did when I was 'bar hopping' after my divorce =-{}
  • I work at a children's museum, and was always worried what the Board would think about one of their employees being a belly dancer. I took many precautions to make sure that I was very tactful and very covert about my dancing. I am in the public eye lot with my job at the Museum though, and in the public eye with the dancing, there was no way to keep it a complete secret and that was never my goal. I was just going for discreet.

    One day...I had a performance at a Festival. Moments after I was done, I got an emergency call saying that some help was needed at a location the Museum was doing a fundraiser at. I needed to deliver some tickets to the fundraiser location site. I ended up having to go in costume, I live an hour away from where I work. I got out of my car, in costume, and walked through the parking lot to the tent where the museum was selling raffle tickets (Board members and staff members where there selling the tickets). I was so worried the Board members would say something, and when I got to the tent, they had the look of surprise that I was so worried about. But then I realized, it wasn't me they were surprised about...it was the see of on-lookers (at me) that had overwhelmed the tent, and were now purchasing tickets! I generated so much interest, they asked me to stay, and to come back the next day with MORE dancers! We sold lots of tickets, and the Board was delighted.

    All that worrying for nothing! As long as you are ALWAYS professional and tactful...you will never have anything to be ashamed about, whether it be career or dance related.
  • Belly dance is one of my jobs and a key part of my income. I also work in the social work field. Everyone at work knows I dance--I mentioned in my interview. I've performed at a coworker's party and the director has asked me to give a workshop on the benefits of exercise and stretching to relieve stress. One of my supervisors is a former ballet/tap/modern teacher. (That was her other job, before the babies. )
    There's nothing shameful about it! If people don't understand, that's not my problem.

    :o)
    • Phoenix said: "Yep...I agree and have heard the "I cannot turn it down". Then my response is "well that is why some of us have to have another job -- bc the rates are too low and undercutting"....that person did not like the response but oh well. "

      That's SO bizarre to me. Please don't judge all full timers by this one with unprofessional standards.
      To be honest- I wouldn't do this full time in an area that did not support it as a full time career with professional rates and standards. That would be incredibly stressful and not something I'd put myself through.
      It's because I do this full time and am very much invested in a healthy dance community that I have high rates and publish information on rates. Some full-timers see fit to fight for better treatment and pay and high standards because it effects their day to day existence.
      I know dancers in my area who undercut- and I've never thought to classify them "full time or part time", they just seem desperate...whether it be for the low rate to pay bills or for the applause it doesn't matter - it exists in all areas of the dance spectrum both full time and part time...AND high quality also exists in all areas of the dance spectrum, both full time and part time.
      • Actually I'll agree with Samira on this one, I think undercutting is an issue for both "part timers" and "full timers"......the excuses may differ but I've seen it happen equally. Whatever the excuse is, it hurts everyone.

        As far as those who "dance" and who "do other things for money" i think it's a personal decision based on both the "day" job, the community you live in/interact with and more. I've known dancers who felt it very important to keep the two separate, for personal and professional reasons, as well as people who were very out and open. I'd agree with whoever said that it's also important how you talk about your dance in "the day job world..".
      • I do not judge the full or parttime dancers by one persons response - I am not sure if my response sounded that way but was specifying a specific response that has been used by a person here. I was specifying that it was a person who actually looks down on those of us with other jobs....but yet will go and dance for less at times too. Double standard I think is the word for it -- in my eyes. So I do agree that undercutting is the issue but am pointing out that at times I have heard someone who completely supports themselves use that as an excuse.

        I actually pay a lot of my bills with dance income...but I do uphold what we consider to be base rates in this area. It is funny to me how there are a few here that will twist the rules to make it work for them depending on the situation at the time.

        Our community is actually very supportive but unfortunately due to some surrounding areas and the fear of some to raise prices....our rates have not really gone up as a whole in over 6 years. There are a number of us here who have raised our rates....but of course we lose some jobs to those charging the old rates...it is a bummer. The other issue we have here is a lot of troupes that do not know to not charge a one dancer rate for the troupe. In general though...we are very lucky here in the area of support....but there are always a few in the mix you know.
  • IMO I think it really depends on the nature of your workplace, and the person who is showing interest or that you're thinking of inviting. I take things on a case by case basis. I've had some workplaces where I could shout it from the rooftops that I dance & other places where I thought it was a poor idea to mention it too much.

    I used to be an Events Supervisor at a community college and my boss is also a part time photographer, so he was really excited about attending my performances (he even took some great photos...too bad I was a no0b and looked all angry in them).
    • I have an interesting case that nobody here has mentioned yet, and I'd be curious to get your collective feedback!

      I have had four different day jobs since I started bellydancing, and have been pretty vocal about it at all four. I had co-workers who showed up for my very first student night, and eventually to real paying gigs too. I love what I do! I am more quiet about my dancing now, not because I'm ashamed at all, but I'm conscious of not wanting to come off as bragging, or shoving it in people's faces. I'm in the very last stretch of school for a BA, and in order to take the maximum number of credits possible, I axed the day jobs.

      I have been supporting myself on just dancing since December of 2008. And Gibson Pearl was absolutely right that it IS stressfull not always knowing how much money I will be making from month to month, especially when my rent check might be the difference between booking that extra private party or not. However for the most part the "feast" periods outweigh the "famine" periods, and I have a healthy amount of savings (as well as no student loans and an unactivated credit card) that I do have a decent cushion in case all my restaurants burn down or a sprane an ankle. I love being my own boss, but it's only temporary while I'm finishing school.

      What has given me cause for concern is my professional environment after college: I am getting my degree to be a high school history teacher. I really love bellydancing, and I have absolutely NO intention on giving it up when I get a job teaching. But I do wonder how I will deal with it in a school environment? It will be pretty obvious on a resume that my only activities would be bellydancing and volunteer work, and to be quite honest there are a couple of restaurant owners I wouldn't hesitate to put down as references because I know they would give me glowing professional reviews. I love and respect bellydance beyond belief, but I realize that it does have a bad reputation with many people, and that is why I wonder exactly how to deal with it when I become a teacher.

      Should I be more picky about the gigs I take? Should I dance at restaurants that are anywhere near my school? Should I start purchasing more conservative costumes? (E.g. beaded dresses instead of bedlah.) What about my website? Should I keep Myspace?

      I decided I wanted to be a teacher long before I fell into bellydancing, and now that graduation is looming closer (I will be student teaching in January of 2010) I'm starting to think about how I will balance the two much more than before. At the moment I'm leaning towards only cutting back on gigs for time management reasons (maybe just one or two shows a weekend, and not the 2-5 shows a week I'm currently at) and at this point I wouldn't mind, because there are some gigs that I take just because I need the money. However I still charge top dollar, I know that has come up as an issue on this thread. My attitude about taking a low paying gig "because I need the money" is bullshit, because there are plenty of people willing to pay what I charge that I don't have time to mess with haggling. I realize that I WILL face some sort of backlash, whether it's from co-workers, administration, parents, or a combination of those. I am a third generation educator and I've got no illusions about the politics that goes on in education; I've seen and personally dealt with the behind-the-scenes cattiness gossip that is endemic in education so at least I won't be surprised when I get hit with it. I honestly figure that the cheerleaders sometimes wear less clothes than I do bellydancing, so that shouldn't even be an issue. I specifically asked one of my education professors about this, and that I've been thinking about it a lot. He said he actually had a 7th grade teacher who was a bellydancer, and while she didn't openly discuss it, she didn't deny it either. His advice was that there is no "right answer" on how to deal with that question, and told me that I should "think" about how to deal with it and not "worry" about it.

      Any thoughts?
      • PS - sorry that was a long post, I think I am getting tired and rambling!
        • Sonia- I understand your concerns (see my 'teacher's wife' post above- I've been there!)

          If you are going to put it on your resume, I think the type of district/school that hires you will help sort this out. Most of my teachers never got into what their hobbies were- the exceptions being the couple teachers whom I really thought of as mentors. By my experience, how the administration & support staff deal with the knowledge is vital. If you are doing your job well, and you have the support of your administrator, I really wouldn't worry about it. Schools that will have a problem with it most likely will give you warning of that as soon as they see your resume- not saying this should be a deterrent to putting it on your resume, or that you should make a big deal about it when talking to potential employers, just that knowing how they react to you in the first place might be a good gauge of whether that is where you want to be or not.

          There are definitely places where this won't remotely be an issue, & others where it can make things uncomfortable. I hope you find just the right place for you! I had extenuating circumstances that didn't allow me to pick & choose locations, but we were much happier in the community where my dancing was openly accepted, for sure!
      • Sonia...I think if you are just quiet in the school area and may be think about whether you may run into students, then most will not know. Sitara (one of the Emberz - one of my partners) is a high school counselor in our area. She does still dance and we have even danced at high school after parties --- just not hers. She does dance under a different name for that reason too....same reason I created a dance name years ago. So as for continuing...I say yes. May be just consider how much you tell people in school.

        As for you resume, that is a tough one. As for teaching...it is still teaching experience and I think that will be impressive. I personally do not feel it will be that strange that you put yourself through school entertaining. If they ask if you will continue ... then may be listen to the tone.

        I understand the struggle. I dealt with that after going back to school for nursing but finally just decided...it is a part of me and why I came so it is on my resume as I feel it shows a different side of me. But that is me....may be talk to some teachers that are newer and see what they feel. I know Alli/Sitara would be willing to talk and is in your/my area.

        Phoenix
  • Every industry is different, and every workplace. They all have their own dynamic and it takes time to figure out what's going to work in your situation. While I'd never deny it if anyone ever asked, I didn't always advertise either. In the end it always came out that I was a belly dancer.

    My last real "day job" was working for a chain eyeglass store. For a while I worked in the lab actually making the glasses. There were a couple people that didn't know I was taking classes or anything. All they knew is that I required Sundays off. No one really cared why. However, there were these two women that were always asking me about where I was going after work or where I went on Sundays. I did end up telling them about going to see friends perform at a local restaurant and that my Sundays were pretty much filled with troupe rehearsals and classes. They wanted to know everything about it. Before long, when they were working the lab with me, all we talked about were kids, family, and dance. It was a lot of fun. While everyone else knew, when I was transferred to being an optometric technician and receptionist for the doctor, it suddenly wasn't really discussed anymore. On occasion patients would ask me if I had kids or would ask about what I do when I'm not working there, and I'd tell them. Most were fascinated and a couple even came to see my troupe perform. Still, I didn't exactly advertise. It just wasn't really appropriate to talk belly dance in front of the patients all the time. It's funny how even just changing places within the same workplace can change the whole dynamic.

    Actually, that was only until the day my husband decided to replace his glasses before the student show I was in later that evening. He decided this after I'd already gotten dressed in my costume, make-up, and everything! So I ended up having to go with him to work so he could get new glasses, and everyone saw me in costume. I got a lot more questions about the shows and requests to see videos and pictures of the shows they had missed. That made a huge difference in how my co-workers saw me as a dancer.
  • I have two jobs: teaching music & waiting tables. Everyone at the restaurant knows I dance. My adult student knows I dance but it's never really come up with the kids. If the parents asked where I was when I was out of town at a festival or doing a gig I might tell them. I'm not sure. One of my students asked when I'd be performing next (on cello) & I told her it was out of town but I'd try to put it on youtube, so she'll find out soon enough because my youtube channel is full of my dance videos.
    • "My attitude about taking a low paying gig "because I need the money" is bullshit, because there are plenty of people willing to pay what I charge that I don't have time to mess with haggling."
      Exactly. If you are good, you shouldn't be starving for gigs. If gigs are that scarce and that low paying, it should tell them something about their skills. Or maybe it's a class issue.

      I remember thread a while back where a dancer made a case that since she was a "professional", she couldn't afford to turn down any gig, no matter how low the pay or the conditions. If she were offered a $5 job, she'd take it, because someone would, and it might as well be her, since you can't make some people pay more. My view and reply was that if they won't pay more, then they needed to not have a dancer or get what they paid for, and if a dancer can't do better than a $5 gig, then maybe they shouldn't be dancing, as other dancers can and do manage to maintain standards.

      And as to the person that thought the out of state workshop should be the domain of 'real dancers,' I have to assume that's sour grapes. If someone from entirely different state has not only heard of you, but is impressed enough to ask you to teach, how are you NOT a professional or a real dancer? And if you are a 'real dancer' or a 'professional' and you aren't getting offered out of state gigs, it might suggest that you aren't as great as you think you are. Trying to snipe other people out of the game won't make them any better or get them any more gigs. Sounds like desperation to me.
      • Funny...the comment about the dancer taking a $5 gig if she was offered it. If she needed the money so bad, one would think she'd turn it down! After all, she's liable to spend more than that in the expenses of costume care, make-up, transportation, and that's not even including time! I find stuff like that funny, though a little scary knowing that it's true.

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