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So I have danced at many places in my city. I am also just starting out. Many people come up to me after my performances and tell me I did a really great job. But sometimes I never get called back by the manager of the restauraunt/venue even though they intended to have a weekly or monthly gig for me. I just do not know which side to pay attention to, the crowd? or the management? I would love to hear what all of you more experienced performers have to say.
Thanks!
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Re: How to measure your worth?
Sun, May 17, 2009 - 7:57 PMIf you really want to know, you should pay a professional dancer who you respect to give you some honest feedback. You can also go out of town for this, if you would rather get an opinion from someone not connected to the local scene.
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Re: How to measure your worth?
Mon, May 18, 2009 - 6:51 AMYou will often hear "great job" from an audience, but honestly, they're not the most discerning people :-) Have you ever noticed how shimmies get loud responses & the hard technical stuff goes right over their heads?
You could try talking to any dancers who DO work for the places you've auditioned for, since you'll hardly ever get a straight answer from management. The dancers may be able to tell you what you're lacking for the job (if they're nice people that is - if they're only in it for themselves you can't really trust what they tell you).
If you're trying to work professionally you need professional costumes, photos, PR materials, as well as skills & a professional manner & approach - can you think of anything there you could improve?
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Re: How to measure your worth?
Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:48 AMFrom your pics, you look like a tribal fusion dancer. That alone could be the problem. From what I've read here on tribe, most restaraunts prefer the glitzy cabaret. Have you tried a venue that would maybe be more receptive to your style? -
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Re: How to measure your worth?
Mon, May 18, 2009 - 8:39 AMI agree with Erica, your pictures do look tribal fusion. From the POV of a tribal fusion dancer, I know just how hard it is to get work in a restaurant or any other venue for that matter. When you say, "I'm a belly dancer" to the person you're attempting to be hired by, their first thought is glitz. They think sparkles, dazzle, lots of glass beads and glowingly metallic coins. They think someone who's going to come out and completely wow their audience with the sheer glamor of it all!
Another thing to think about is music selection and dance style. If you're working with music that's slow and slinky and you don't really jazz it up, that's not going to sell nearly as well. Many cabaret dancers use props when they dance, offering variety to their shows. Very few tribal dancers do, and when they do it's most commonly balancing sword or basket. While that looks impressive, you've really got to work your tail off with it to get good at it. Restaurants also don't tend to go for highly technical dancing and moves. They're more interested in someone who can work a crowd and get the audience into it. They're paying you to keep customers in their seats, continuing to buy drinks and the like. They're paying you to draw a crowd.
Having recently gotten a job at a local hookah bar, I've found as a tribal dancer, I've really got to change my performance style. I used to favor gothic belly dance, tribal fusion, and ATS. While ATS would probably sell decently well if I had a troupe with me, or even a dance partner (because it's exotic), it's really not what the owner was looking for when she hired us. She was looking for performers who danced to lively music that really got the crowd going. I've learned that it helps to play to the crowd and go for audience interaction. I've had to learn to deal with women getting up to dance with me when a nice, lively song comes on. I've had to learn how to deal with men getting up and asking me to teach them a few moves after being goaded on by their friends. THAT sells. THAT is part of what keeps me in my job. I've learned to cater my performances to the crowd by selecting high energy music and really playing off the crowd. I've kind of gone more tribaret than tribal these days. Having a little bit of sass helps. I've noticed I get more tips with sassy pieces with lots of shimmies. I'm expanding into doing veil again, or perhaps looking at other props that may suit my style of dance. I've got to respond to the audience's needs and desires, otherwise they just don't pay attention.
I'm not saying you should change your style. However, it may help to get your foot in the door at these places looking for cabaret dancers if you were able to...well...adapt your style to be a little more something that would appeal. Stake out the restaurant on nights they hold belly dance. See what the other dancers are doing. Take notes if you have to. What works? What sells? What gets the crowd going? How can you integrate some of these aspects into your own performances for restaurants?
And if you're not comfortable with that, look for venues that would be more open and interested in having a tribal dancer. Coffee houses are a good place to look. Goth clubs always seem to like tribal dancers. For that matter, you may find you've got luck at some of the more trendy local clubs depending on your music selection. The idea is to find a place where your style will sell, or adapt to the environments you have available to you. Yes, it would be great if every restaurant, hookah bar, and coffee house were willing and receptive to having dancers of all styles, but to them, you're just business. You're a marketing tool to get the crowd in the door. If you don't appeal to the kind of customer they want to have, you're not going to get very far. So it's all a matter of finding the right market, or adapting to the market you're hoping to get into.
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Re: How to measure your worth?
Mon, May 18, 2009 - 12:26 PMThis area has a long standing scene with some true masters of the dance. As a result of these many wonderful women and their hard work over the last few decades there IS a lot of work- there are over 30 venues with regular weekly dancing.
Most of it is cabaret at Arab owned establishments. This is the first thing you might want to think about. If you want to work in a traditional establishment, you may want to consider learning a closer to traditional style. If fusion is your preferred style, you may need to seek out alternative venues.
A further result of these wonderful dancers who've worked so very hard for so very long in our area - and are now teaching; a good percentage of the regular performers here have a lot of training in the dance and the cultures of the dance. The owners and managers expect a certain level of dance. There are lots of opportunities AND there is also a lot of people with the qualifications for those opportunities because they have prepared.
Luck= preparation + opportunity.
Look long and hard at all the aspects of the dance - Anthea alludes to this above- dance, costuming, entertainment, music, presentation etc - of these things, where do you feel you need more preparation?
How many full shows have you gone to see? Have you gone to see shows by the dancers who work at lot? Do you know why they chose their music? Do you know why they chose the song order? Have you tried to discern what makes a working dancer? Have you spoken to your teacher(s) (if you have one now) to ask for special coaching? Is your teacher performing alot or has she performed a lot in this dance form? A qualified teacher knows how to "take you there" and knows the ups and downs of the business. She can *honestly* assess your dancing.
We have plenty of master teachers no longer performing- who are teaching professional level dancers. This takes any "politics" out of it. Why not seek out the advice on Artemis, Yasmin, Lotus, Anthea (there are more of course)?
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