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Hello everyone,
I really enjoy this tribe because there's so many great topics of discussion, thank you.
I've recently become self employed and have been doing a lot of soul searching about my new business and about my belly dance business. There are so many things to conisder when starting and running a business and I was wondering if there is a need out there for a class on basic business practices (specifically starting and running your own independent business)?
I ask because I do commercial real estate, and so many times I have seen new business owners with stars in thier eyes, get themselves into trouble because they have a great idea, or service, but no skills in how to make that into a profit center for them. Especially creative people, because they are excellent at their craft, but the business side of things really bores the heck out the them, and it can really cost them by not paying attention to it.
If a 1-2 hour class was offered at a weekend workshop, would you consider taking it?
I would cover the basics like: marketing, taxes, bookkeeping, ethics, etc. What else would you like to see covered?
I'm just curious if this is a viable topic.
I really enjoy this tribe because there's so many great topics of discussion, thank you.
I've recently become self employed and have been doing a lot of soul searching about my new business and about my belly dance business. There are so many things to conisder when starting and running a business and I was wondering if there is a need out there for a class on basic business practices (specifically starting and running your own independent business)?
I ask because I do commercial real estate, and so many times I have seen new business owners with stars in thier eyes, get themselves into trouble because they have a great idea, or service, but no skills in how to make that into a profit center for them. Especially creative people, because they are excellent at their craft, but the business side of things really bores the heck out the them, and it can really cost them by not paying attention to it.
If a 1-2 hour class was offered at a weekend workshop, would you consider taking it?
I would cover the basics like: marketing, taxes, bookkeeping, ethics, etc. What else would you like to see covered?
I'm just curious if this is a viable topic.
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Mon, August 24, 2009 - 11:03 AMCheck with your Small Business Association or with the YWCA (yes, the Y) for classes. Some years ago I went thru the Women$Fund training sponsored by the YWCA and it was great. It was geared toward women and taught about starting your own business, including writing a business plan, sources of financing, licensing and other legal considerations and all kinds of other things. Highly recommend it if it is available in your area. Otherwise the SBA would be a good resource. -
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Mon, August 24, 2009 - 5:46 PMI agree- these kind of classes can be really helpful, but often offered for free or for a low fee via places like the small business assoc, the university small business development center, community centers, etc. I have also seen them advertised through the community schools, so if you are looking for a place to start teaching this kind of thing, those would all be good places to check out- an already established format can be a big help when trying to reach clients who might need this service.
Another option we have looked at here locally, but I haven't had time to push into being, is a women in business seminar series- including round tables & networking for a specific group like women in business can be a good draw for folks who might otherwise be hesitant to seek this kind of advice. A value added proposition, if you will! You also build a reputation that way when folks in the group can recommend to newbies "yes, so&so's classes are a great way to get started on business basics" Along those lines, I think a mentoring/coaching approach is often more appealing & helpful than a one off workshop, especially for women.
I think it is definitely something that is needed, the trick is packaging it so that you can reach folks- a lot of the starry eyed artistic types are also the ones who think they can't afford help- even tho it may be the best investment they could make!
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Mon, August 24, 2009 - 11:48 AMHi Christina!
Here in Canada, the Government (Canada Business Centre) has free workshops in setting up your own business, and things that you need to know. I found it really helpful when my husband started his own small business.
There are also some courses (that you pay for) through our City Leisure Guide, and one of the schools has a continuing ed portion which has some small business courses (1 day or 1 evening a week for 6 to 8 weeks).
For anyone setting up a business they are really good things to take ... exhaust EVERY resource you can!
Brenda
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 8:36 AMViable topic!
Could also cover insurance issues, education, finances and loans, public speaking, and phone etiquette. -
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 9:25 AMPhone etiquette is be a really good topic! I'm a trainer where I work, and I find that some people don't know how to use a telephone in a "business environment".
Email etiquette / business correspondence would be another good one as well:
mailing lists
privacy issues [using the bcc field instead of putting everyone's address in the to line]
how to send group mailings and not have servers think you are spam and block you
email limits on popular free email sites (gmail, yahoo, hotmail)
do not use "texting" language in a business email
Use sentence case (not all upper case [yelling] or lower case [being lazy]) -
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 9:26 AMOoops ... and checking your message before you send it - LOL.
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 11:17 AMWhile I think there would be a lot of benefit to having classes like this, I don't think I would take it at a weekend workshop. I'm assuming you mean a belly dance workshop here. I'd rather spend that time with instructors I wouldn't otherwise be able to study with. After all, I can take a free business class on post and there are a lot of inexpensive business classes held at the local college, community centers, and other local centers. Many of them are in a multi-week format so that all the topics get covered with plenty of time for each. Unfortunately, I think in comparison a 1-2 hour class wouldn't be near enough to cover all the bases in the most complete way.
I think it's a wonderful idea and there's definitely need for new business owners of all kinds to get involved in some kind of entrepreneurship class or the like. I just think I'd personally take a well established coarse at a local college because of the extended format, low cost, and the variety of topics covered. No, it may not be specific to crafting or belly dance, but other topics such as marketing, taxes, book keeping, and the like are covered. I think the topics that would most interest me would pertain to things specific to belly dance, such as insurance and the like.
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Wed, August 26, 2009 - 3:42 PMPeople would want to know your resume, I think. Basic business practices can be learned in a lot of different places, as the previous posters have said. If you are running your own successful dance business and are willing to share the niche secrets for $$$, that would probably be a draw. But it sounds like you are just starting out yourself?
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Fri, August 28, 2009 - 7:18 AMYes, I think it's viable. Yes, classes can be taken from free sources. But I will tell you from personal experience. Most classes are taught on the small business side of things, you know, if you have 20 or more employees. Worksmans comp, employee issues are all dealt with and somethings that do not mean anything to the business of One people. People who are self employed as belly dancers who would feel more comfortable taking classes with other belly dancers. Of course, a weekend course may not be a good idea because dancers will focus on dancing then. However, the rest of the business world works M-F 8-5. Many classes/networking events take place at lunch or right after work. This is 'business' thinking. Dance thinking is for weekends. -
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Fri, August 28, 2009 - 9:17 AMThanks Letha, doing something during the week is a great idea. I'll have to think about that :)
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Fri, August 28, 2009 - 9:16 AMThank you all for your advice. I think there is a point from it taking away from a weekend workshop, especially if there are big names attending. What if I sponsored a brown bag lunch and spoke about it for an hour? Or just had a Q & A session, so people could ask specific questions about their situation?
I also agree that there are a lot of places to get free or cheap advice, but for some reason I don't ever find myself using them, not sure why. I go to a lot of business building workshops because of the nature of my work, and have a bachelors in business admin. My belly dance business is less than a year old, but I've owned several other businesses in the past and have been an entreprenuer all my life.
I remember the time I started my first buisness, I had no clue what to do. I was so afraid of making a mistake, that it took forever to get it going. What tax forms do I use? What is gross receipts tax, and who pays it? How do I market myself without spending a fortune? Just a few questions a new biz owner may have.
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Fri, August 28, 2009 - 12:50 PMI think something in a more Q&A format would be a LOT more appealing to me personally. There's tons of great resources in my community for very small businesses (I know someone mentioned in their area the classes were geared towards something more than just a one or two person business) because a lot of the local wives run ebay stores, etsy stores, and do other craft-oriented stuff. That leads to a lot of "one man show" kind of businesses. I think a Q&A format in this area would definitely open up possibilities for discussing ideas that weren't covered in the class, or more intricate detail or specifics to belly dance, or dance related businesses.
I think a lunch break workshop would actually be a good time to host something like this. After all, you'll be sitting and discussing, not dancing, and dancers eat and converse all the time! It would definitely be a wonderful way for dancers to make use of the time, and to offer a valuable service without taking away from the actual dancing! I think I would be MUCH more inclined to sign up for something like that.
I think if you broke up the session to have both a Q&A and a presentation of some information, I think it would also be vital to tailor it to the audience. If there are a number of regular workshops then perhaps you could alternate between gearing your information towards instructors, performers, and vendors/costumers/etc. After all, the information I need for marketing my classes has proven to be very different than in marketing myself as a performer. The same can be said for the costume pieces I design. While a lot of the tax information and all of that is available in business and marketing courses and from what I've seen, doesn't vary much from business to business, there are a lot of details in marketing that are different. That's kind of a big one for me. For performers, some information on setting up contracts for performances would be useful, and tips on how to deal with someone who is trying to convince you to work for less than your worth. For instructors some information on carrying insurance would be wonderful, as well as tips on setting up contracts with gyms, studios, and the like.
Of course, all of this could probably fit into one neat little package as an all-in-one kind of class. I just think it would be more helpful to me if the class had more of a focus on some specific aspect, given it would only be about an hour long. It would mean you could fit the most information specific to that business into that time period.
Okay, now I'm just rambling!
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Fri, August 28, 2009 - 6:14 PMI think a Q&A is good, but AFTER the actual workshop presentation, because, in theory, you will have answered most of their questions in the presentation.
Lunch and Learn is great, especially if people can get away from their regular jobs for lunch break.
Can someone do a class on 'how to do it all yourself without becoming overwhelmed?' or something like it? I've had a partnership for over 5 years and I used to be in the business community - economic development to be exact. Not once did anyone address the object of incorporating a business of one and making it successful all by yourself. It's hard with out money and resources to run a business for the first time. Five years ago, we just tried it and learned from other successful people and kept going.
Now, with my own business, I have many more connections that I did 'back then' and am better networked with the right people to make things happen. BUT it takes time and heart and not everyone has both - especially in the world where our day job differs from our real job. -
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Sun, August 30, 2009 - 8:32 PMOur local community college offers several (non credit) workshops for small businesses. I think they're a great idea IN ADDITION to belly dance business mentoring from a successful professional in your area. :) -
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Re: Is there a need for business / other topic classes?
Tue, September 1, 2009 - 12:59 AMI think this is a great idea! There is so much to learn about in the business world, and not having work handed to you is both a blessing and a burden. It means 100% accountability to yourself, not to a supervisor or coworker.
In my business I am an independent contractor, responsible for creating my own customer base, maintaining customer realtions, maketing, sales...everything! Other consultants have their separate businesses (we all buy our products from the same company) but there is not a negative competitive environment. Instead those in leadership positions (working larger customer bases, high sales, etc.) are encouraged to hold weekly meetings to celebrate each other's sucesses, provide mentorship, marketing tips, customer service lessons, as well as setting attainable (yet challenging) goals with the intent to better each other's businesses overall.
Applying this "build each other better" mentality totally works, and creates better understanding of ethical business practices, develops problem solving skills, and fosters confidence in one's own abilities.
A class or seminar geared towards individuals with diverse businesses would be wonderfully informative, and well-worth the effort. My personal preference would be a 1-2 hour session monthly or bi-weekly at a convenient time. With a structured teaching format for part, and open question and/or networking time.
And Bravo for having such a brillliant idea! the busiiness people in your area will be blessed by your efforts.
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