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Hi-I tried searching on this and couldn't find exactly what I needed...but was hoping for some advice. My group has gotten pretty successful in a short amount of time. I was wondering when and if it was lucrative to get a business license?
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Re: When is it time?
Wed, September 9, 2009 - 12:01 PMTalk to your accountant. Almost half of my yearly income is strictly dance based -- I do not have a formal license but do have a business account and keep all records separate to claim on taxes. My accountant has actually discouraged me from doing an LLC due to some red tape and other issues that it may bring up in the future. I will not claim to understand it all but basically he stated that it red flags me every year. This way if I do have a drop in income then it is not expected to always have a huge profit. Basically it could fall back into the 'hobby' category. He said that if I do find that a lot of money is going thru my account to pay a number of people then it may be best to change this but really you can operate under your own SSN and just keep good records. I know vendors do often get a separate EIN for themselves but they have sales and a lot more to deal with. A friend of mine who is a costume designer actually just moved her business back under her SSN bc really it was not paying off trying to manage both. My friend/mentor who owns Unicorn Belly Dance also said...really you do not need that and it is a lot of hassel so avoid if you can.
I have not had any issues and teach in 4 locations outside of my home. I do make sure that the venues cover any disclaimer of health/safety (they have to sign a waiver)....if the venue does not then I have my own waiver. I only teach privates in my home and so they sign a waiver there also.
As for performance....most places do not care if you have a business license. They care about who to write the check and if there is any liability (even that question is rare). So just have that covered. I do have a business account under my dance name so that checks can be written to my dance name...as that just causes confusion.
The one trick with a troupe is ... if one of you always gets the check then know that you will have tax payments. May be have a trade name in the troupe name but it will need to be under one individual in the end.
Just some thoughts...I have seen too many run out and get a license (spend the time and money)...then split in a year and have the hassel of trying to figure that out. Might just want to pick one person to deal with the taxes and ensure they get paid any costs of that during tax season. That is what my husband does with his two bands and I do with my troupe.
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Re: When is it time?
Wed, September 9, 2009 - 6:21 PMdepends on what you are doing & where you are. my insurance & rental policies both required a business license, so I didn't really have a choice! Same if you want to sell anything. I stuck with sole proprietorship since it is much simpler to organize- a non profit has advantages if there are funds available in your area, or you have donors who want a tax write off, but it is definitely a lot of work too! a business license itself does not require a whole lot of effort- but price will vary by state
& locality (if you have city licensing as well as state.) Getting a Federal EIN is free and takes about 2 minutes. -
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Re: When is it time?
Mon, September 14, 2009 - 10:13 PMAhhh...humm I have not run into the issue here. Actually a number of the local professionals do not have a license even some that vend. Most just do a trade name so that checks can be written the business and some have done an LLC for liability reasons (although people can get around that if they want to sue you so that is not really that much of a protection).
I was going to get one but my accountant and a vendor (friend here - large belly dance vendor) who discouraged me from doing it because it was not needed. The vendor has her business license bc she does deal with wholesale and various business --- a lot more to her sales than mine (Unicorn Belly Dance). But she was telling me how many really do not need it as long as they are legit with their record. I do sell my DVD internationally but it is just listed as a small business under my SSN - so I just deal with the taxes at the end of the year. If you get into wholesale then that is different for sure...but I just sell my DVD not dealing with large numbers of items for sale or buying/selling in bulk (I would love to sell my DVD in bulk...hahaha). My sales are more individual and some wholesales to vendors but on my end it more about how much I profit --- IRS does not care who I am selling to or if it is discounted.
I will say...check on your state prices locally. Colorado is not expensive but I have a friend in California who thought she had to have a business license and it was going to cost her $800 and then there was a large renewal price yearly to keep it. So check it all out first. It may not be needed depending on what you are doing.
It does sound like it very regional though...... -
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Re: When is it time?
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 9:27 AMI know in the state of Oregon, if you use a pseudonym, you are required to have a license, as far as vending goes. There are also some wholesale opportunities that are only available if you do have a license, but again, that is only if you are selling wares. I highly recommend talking to your local Small Business Development Agency. And/or an accountant. The SBDA here was super helpful in getting me setup, letting me know what info to keep, etc. But my accountant has taken it a step further.
Glad you are having success!
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Re: When is it time?
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 12:58 PM"I will say...check on your state prices locally. Colorado is not expensive but I have a friend in California who thought she had to have a business license and it was going to cost her $800 and then there was a large renewal price yearly to keep it. So check it all out first. It may not be needed depending on what you are doing.
It does sound like it very regional though...... "
very much so- do check into it, tho, because if some government entity (city, county, state) finds out you've been operating without a business license when you do need it, you can be subject to some pretty hefty fines. If you aren't dealing with an accountant, lawyer or other professional who would be up on that info, check with your local small business association or university cooperative extension- they usually are able to get you that information for free & with little hassle. I recommend sba start up counseling for just about everyone anyway- why ignore such a great resource? -
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Re: When is it time?
Sun, September 27, 2009 - 10:09 AMThis very much depends upon region- sometimes state, sometimes county and sometimes municipality. Check with your accountant (or find one ASAP!). -
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Re: When is it time?
Sun, September 27, 2009 - 11:51 AMThank you everyone for your input! I'm going to start checking into it. It sounds like there is no clear cut answer depending on your needs and location.
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