http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#4a791b9f-1da4-4153-bcfd-3b155c195e5e Hahhahahahahah!!! I love it!!! And you are worth every penny!! Enjoy the night and Happy New Year's to everyone. Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:02:14 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#4a791b9f-1da4-4153-bcfd-3b155c195e5e Samira 2007-12-31T17:02:14Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#ddf969b8-4044-4a6b-b6ba-bb9f90170af2 They called back yesturday.. they took the $100 price. I start when I get there [around 9:30] and am out of there in 20 minutes.. Since it is only about 15 minutes from my house.. not bad. Happy New Year to you all... Be safe tonight. Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:24:39 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#ddf969b8-4044-4a6b-b6ba-bb9f90170af2 Devi 2007-12-31T16:24:39Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#b6baa61d-a4e1-43cc-880c-ae735cbd8cb8 In Philadelphia, I booked a 30-minute show with 5 performers, each doing a 5-minute set and a group close. Each performer gets $200. Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:48:08 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#b6baa61d-a4e1-43cc-880c-ae735cbd8cb8 Jeannine 2007-12-30T13:48:08Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#de88b167-0faf-41d7-af2e-5ee41a6eaa05 Cheap cheap cheap. $50? unbelievable... Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:47:53 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#de88b167-0faf-41d7-af2e-5ee41a6eaa05 Samira 2007-12-30T06:47:53Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#e7d8e7aa-e365-4048-986f-4569361a0e47 Last year I did a New Years Eve restaurant gig and charged double the normal going rate (2 x $75) for one 15-20 minute set. There was a second dancer after me... much better known in town. Probably charged more. But part of the reason I did it was that I could get out of there early enough to join friends downtown for midnight. Crappy freezing rain and taxis pushed to the max meant I did not get downtown until 12:15am and only had time to have one drink before we all headed for a restaurant to eat. This year I'm partying. If I got a last minute call (ie: to replace an ill dancer) I'd ask triple plus taxi fare each way. Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:44:27 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#e7d8e7aa-e365-4048-986f-4569361a0e47 Gailene (Zamira) 2007-12-30T05:44:27Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#02b7cc0f-d099-4a1b-a6d6-a79b3240f5b1 I got a call just this evening for a New Years Eve party. The original dancer is ill and will not be there. Since they advertised "belly dancing" they need a dancer. I told her I would do it for standard $100 for 20 min set and that is including transportation cost. she said the other dancer was only charging $50 and was staying the entire night ! This event is charging $10 per person in and it is BYOB and a food item - so they do not have a huge expense for food and drinks. She said they already have 100 tickets sold, so the $100 should be no biggy..but she said "no thanks" and asked for the phone number of another dancer [that I did not give] We all need to hold firm on pricing. Do not under sell yourself. A casino can afford $500.. so give them 15 minutes every hour. That is 45 minutes dancing for $250.. looks fine to me. Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:40:04 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#02b7cc0f-d099-4a1b-a6d6-a79b3240f5b1 Devi 2007-12-30T04:40:04Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#d01084ee-40a8-4297-ac76-497af412d8a4 Well gang - it looks like we're doing it for $500 - 2 dancers, 2 hours of dancing with breaks every 15-20 min. If they can't toss a hotel into the deal (if there are no rooms left at this point) then we get to boogie out ofthere at 11:00pm so we can drive home safely. If they put us up in a hotel, then we stay until 11:30. I feel pretty good about it, considering two local dancers agreed that it was a fair price, and I even got to "make some demands" regarding hotel and travel expenses being covered and bargaining about the length of the show from 3 hours down to 2. Even if they couldn't negotiate price... We'll be signing a contract next week. Any more tips? Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:47:27 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#d01084ee-40a8-4297-ac76-497af412d8a4 Liz 2007-12-05T00:47:27Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#982b2132-a4d7-4f01-bb42-848f807a319f As a point of reference, my troupe is performing NYE on and off for a total time commitment of 2 hours (approx four 10-15min sets). Our price for the evening for 3-5 dancers is $1000....and we were afraid that was low!! 2 dancers for 3 hours at $600 seems awfully low to me, especially for NYE. Then again, I don't know your market, but your restaurant rates are on par with ours. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:45:14 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#982b2132-a4d7-4f01-bb42-848f807a319f Christina 2007-12-03T20:45:14Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#cdd4defb-f368-4ecd-bbd7-943719d6a876 I am considering moving in the next five years - I'm young, fresh out of college, single, and have no serious ties to Memphis - anywhere would be better - we're number one in violent crime, certain STDs, and now obesity. WE"RE NUMBER ONE! WE"RE NUMBER ONE! I'll add Vegas to my list of places to check out. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:47:42 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#cdd4defb-f368-4ecd-bbd7-943719d6a876 Liz 2007-12-03T17:47:42Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#a55732a8-1b6f-499c-b4fd-b99afb65c35d You could move to Vegas and make that sort of money regularly. We'd love to have you here. Vegas rocks (or is that raks?)!! Seriously, Vegas is the center of corporate events and there are tons of bellydancers here who make their entire living off corporate work. No need to even break into the national workshop scene at all. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:22:04 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#a55732a8-1b6f-499c-b4fd-b99afb65c35d Samira 2007-12-03T14:22:04Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#5427dc05-b229-4aef-acb9-9197ea6b2215 Sounds reasonable to me. And if she seems to fret about $600, you can still politely point out that it is New Year's Eve and that you are already waiving your holiday surcharge. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:19:44 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#5427dc05-b229-4aef-acb9-9197ea6b2215 Samira 2007-12-03T14:19:44Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#f32453e2-42b1-4c8f-9c81-e58290708934 Yeah I don't th ink I could pull off $400 for one set here....BUT I might tell her, "I normally charge $150/2 sets an hour/dancer. In this case, toss in a hotel for the night, dinner and drinks, and we can swing $100/hour/dancer, making your whole party $600 for two dancers - 2 sets/hour." That way I feel like I am using her $500 as a starting point for negotiating. *cuz I suck at negotiating* She can counter offer, or she can say she only wants us for 2hours in order to keep the cost within her budget. We'll still make $250 each and not have to be there as long. Sound ok? Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:29:54 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#f32453e2-42b1-4c8f-9c81-e58290708934 Liz 2007-12-03T11:29:54Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#ecb7ce98-dee3-4fc3-a58a-822cf7cd07e1 (and I am jealous! :) Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:23:44 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#ecb7ce98-dee3-4fc3-a58a-822cf7cd07e1 "Shay" 2007-12-03T05:23:44Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#bd495d90-370b-4a13-84c7-0546bcda2089 It's always good to qualify location. In DC most dancers charge double on NYE (musicians charge double, some even triple on NYE). We don't really have set "atmosphere" rates- but you are doing 15 minute shows. Here the "going rate" for a 15-20 minute show is $200 (plus mileage etc). On New Years that would be $400. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:21:22 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#bd495d90-370b-4a13-84c7-0546bcda2089 Samira 2007-12-03T05:21:22Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#d6212c57-bfd8-4e25-ac69-b1b24f8f342a Hence the reason I qualified the location. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:16:20 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#d6212c57-bfd8-4e25-ac69-b1b24f8f342a Samira 2007-12-03T05:16:20Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#fb5aef37-9fc2-4cb6-9909-4704d5b3711e Samira, I think you probably have a bit of a skewed New Years market there in Vegas! In Seattle, there are not a ton of New Years opportunities, so regular rates apply for us. But then again, our rates are already a bit above the usual (the comparison being typical restaurant rates, which are embarrassingly low!), so I guess it breaks even. Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:08:38 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#fb5aef37-9fc2-4cb6-9909-4704d5b3711e "Shay" 2007-12-03T05:08:38Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#c82047eb-47d5-4c96-8a1a-efcf77c0197c For New Year's Eve? I think that $500 will get her exactly one dancer -or- two dancers for 2 hours. When I've done these sorts of shows and meet/greet events in Vegas I charge $125 per hour per dancer. And honestly, that was several years ago and the prices are probably higher today. New Years Eve is a premium night and you can't be afraid to charge more for a corporate event. I'm trying to book an Elvis Impersonator here in Vegas for an event I'm doing next year and they charge between $500-$1250/hour. So $125 is nothing... Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:36:23 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#c82047eb-47d5-4c96-8a1a-efcf77c0197c Samira 2007-12-03T04:36:23Z http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#f92766e8-4663-405d-9a15-575d6441551c I am trying to negotiate pricing for a particularly big gig, and I havn't done one to this extent so far, so I 'm not sure how to price it out. Hollywood Casino 45 minutes away is having their New Year's Eve High Roller party themed, "arabian nights" and they want to hire two bellydancers for entertainment throughout the night. 700 guests, stages, risers, dance floors, etc. Mostly we will be background entertainment...The party is a total of 3 hours, from 8-11pm, but we'll be just dancing for 15-20 minutes to background music and then taking breaks....two of us at the same time in two differen areas of the ballroom. She mentioned that her budget is $500 for the dancers, plus dinner and drinks, and she wants me to tell her how much that will get her. For reference, I do a restaurant gig monthly - $75 for two 10 minute sets. That's unfortunately on the low end of our local rates - usually $75-120 for a restaurant show, but it was my first paying gig, and I'm still working on my negotiation skillz. : ) What would you tell the lady? I'm definitely going to have her throw in a hotel for the night and a tank of gas to get out there...but...as for the price of the show? Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:08:13 GMT http://bellydancebiz.tribe.net/thread/30db335c-8e52-4476-88b9-f5902a5f5b2d#f92766e8-4663-405d-9a15-575d6441551c Liz 2007-12-03T04:08:13Z