New tribe "Higher Standards in Bellydance"

topic posted Wed, September 16, 2009 - 8:35 PM by  Nefabit
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Hello!
I'd like to invite anyone who's interested to join our brand new tribe "Higher Standards in Bellydance", which you can join here?
tribes.tribe.net/highersta...ellydance#
To give you an idea of what we're about, here's the introduction:
Welcome!
This tribe is for bellydancers who wish to work together to raise the standards in bellydance. Some of our goals include getting bellydance out of venues like nightclubs, separating burlesque influence from bellydance, discouraging skimpy costumes and provocative choreography, and increasing the overall image of bellydance.
If you are tired of being turned down for events or dealing with the stereotypes that belly dance is not family appropriate, or somehow lesser than arts like ballet and modern, this tribe is for you.
Why is it that the oldest dance in the world is also the most misunderstood? Ballet, for instance, is only 400 years old, whereas the roots of bellydance are estimated to have originated 6,000 to 8,000 years ago in Babylon and Egypt. Yet ballet is well known and highly respected all over the world. When the word ballet is mentioned, one envisions a highly trained dancer in a beautiful theatre. When one envisions bellydance, many different things come to mind, from ill-trained dancers in a in sleazy nightclubs, to some of the finer troupes in respected venues. We need to work together to raise the standards in bellydance, and escape the stereotypes and misconceptions that bellydance has acquired. It is time for bellydance to be portrayed and understood for what it really is. Every dancer is an ambassador to this art form, and it is every dancers responsibility to educate the public, and our students to the best of our ability.
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Nefabit
Washington
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  • Re: New tribe "Higher Standards in Bellydance"

    Sun, September 20, 2009 - 9:36 AM
    I was listening to an NPR broadcast the other day, and they were interviewing a man in Turkey about the booming business of having young men dance as women at men's parties. When asked why women can't fill those roles, he replied that it was not considered appropriate for a woman to dance in front of other men for business, "even if she is a prostitute or bellydancer..."

    This is the kind of global image of bellydance we face even here in the US. Wanting to improve that image is a GOOD GOAL. Don't get all up in arms about it until you have participated in the process and tried to see what can be done, how, and why!
    • go forth and conquer...

      Mon, September 21, 2009 - 5:10 AM
      ... frankly, I already scold and am scolded enough over on Shira's tribe about what's right, what's wrong, what's real and what's unacceptable. I'll check in every once in a while to see how you keep the scolding down to a dull roar... that's something I'd like to learn...
  • Re: New tribe "Higher Standards in Bellydance"

    Tue, September 22, 2009 - 1:53 PM
    Woah, woah, woah!
    My goal is NOT to offend or scold anyone. My goal is to create a positive, supportive atmosphere where dancers can hold polite discussion about how to further the representation and perception of our art form.
    Shay - yes, I meant skimpy costumes that are not tasteful. :P If you think about it, by most people's standards all of our costumes would be considered skimpy. And thanks for pointing out that it's a good goal - I think so too, hence all this trouble.
    (.Y.) - I think your comments are uncalled for and unprofessional, and I do not appreciate it. I never said anything about a rule book, and I am flat out insulted by your second comment. I think we all agree that one of the best parts of this art form is that people of all shapes, sizes, backgrounds and ages can participate in this dance.
    Maura - I will not tolerate scolding, arguing or insulting on my Tribe. So I don't think you have to worry about that. If the members cannot respect each other and hold a polite, civilized conversation, I will promptly show them the door.
    Heather - yes, I agree. That is actually the purpose of the Tribe. Most of this bickering is based on the introduction, which I wrote in a bit of a hurry, admittedly. I will be remedying this asap.
    Jeffery - They are not specifications, they are suggestions. I will be changing the introduction so that this is obvious.
    As for dancing in nightclubs, true, there are some nice ones, and that is fine I suppose, although personally I'd take a theatre over a nightclub any day. ;p
    I understand that this is a controversial subject, and that everyone has their own opinion. But if we cannot address these topics, and in a polite, professional manner, what will that lead to?
    • Re: New tribe "Higher Standards in Bellydance"

      Tue, September 22, 2009 - 7:41 PM
      I love playing in night clubs and restaurants. You get to know the audience. It is more of an intimate setting and you can connect with them. These crowds are often better behaved because everyone can see them. Some, but not all of the club owners are honorable and pay promptly. I'm not a dancer, but I work in the field with dancers a lot and I keep an eye out for the dancers I work with. 99.9% of the time, the dancers are treated well and respectfully.
      Why don't you open your new site as an open discussion forum and allow people in the business to post ideas of what they would like to see happen in the industry and then decide how to narrow the parameters. You can still post your hopes and feelings about what you would like to see but keep it open and see how others feel (like the whole club and restaurant thought).
      I am a healthy American man and I may appreciate skimpy costumes as a typical man, but it can be problematic as a performer when you watch a very talented dancer in a skimpy outfit dancing tentatively for fear of spilling out of her costume. Accidents always happen inevitably with even more modest costumes. The real skimpy outfits sometimes keep a good dancer from doing their "A" work.
      • Re: New tribe "Higher Standards in Bellydance"

        Tue, September 22, 2009 - 10:40 PM
        *laugh* That's actually exactly what the idea is. Try work together to discuss these topics. Things are going quite well so far, on the subject of body tipping. As long as everyone remains respectful and open minded, we won't have any trouble. So I'm pretty pleased.
        • Re: New tribe "Higher Standards in Bellydance"

          Thu, September 24, 2009 - 7:44 AM
          I just requested to join. :D
          Although I'll be straight up- I DO dance in clubs and see great merits of performing in nice ones. I dance primarily in places with Arab (or other "from over there") clientele - in the "family friendly" ones. I realize this is not available in all areas and I believe this may color people's perceptions.
          I look forward to the discussions.

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